Money For Nothin' ~ Checks For Free

Not Making Any Money At WealthEngineX? Don't Feel Like The Lone Ranger!

2012-01-02T10:57:00.002-06:00

Now that I've had some time to cool off, I thought it was time to write a review of the WealthEngineX program, the owner and his ptc sites. His name is Charles Scoville, he owns the InfinityBux group of sites and ULaunchFormula. I signed up under him in UCashBox, where I lost everything I invested. I wrote to him about that and he more or less told me it was my fault for not doing what those who made top money did....which was pour money into massive advertising campaigns. I DID advertise that program, but not in the expensive ways he said was necessary. If you never heard of UCashBox, it's too late because that program is dead and gone. Which is not surprising, since it was one of those schemes where only the people at the top make any real money....usually ptc and traffic exchange owners. It was also a program, like WealthEngineX, that promised you would make money EVEN WITH NO REFERRALS. Yeah. NOT. For the money you spent there, it offered a huge catalog of software (every piece of which I tried to use had been disabled in some way) and supposedly awesome targeted advertising, from which I got one inactive referral to one program I advertised. I made ZERO money with the program itself. The promised earnings never materialized and the so-called benefits were just that....so-called. That entire experience was duplicated with WealthEngineX, with the exception of the bogus software. The dubious *catalog* of software and ebooks wasn't offered, the sole benefit was the *targeted advertising* to around 2300 members at the time I enrolled. Not exactly an earth shattering audience.

So here is my experience with WealthEngineX, specifically. I redirected all the advertising at my disposal to it and worked my ass off to get more, since I have no money to spend on it. I wrote to the 4 referrals I got from that advertising to encourage them to verify email and upgrade. I did everything you're supposed to do, except hemorrhage money into advertising and I just didn't have that option. But I DID advertise as much as I possibly could. I did NOT receive any referrals from the program. None of my own referrals upgraded and I lost those. The whole deal about your sponsor cycling under you and everyone who signs up after you being under you NEVER materialized. I repeatedly tried to write to my sponsor and the mail never showed up in my sent box and I never got any answers. But the mail system worked just fine when I wrote to Charles Scoville. So I have a feeling that my sponsor dropped out and that put me dead in the water with the whole thing. I don't KNOW this, but its an educated guess. I think its the hole in the system that was never mentioned. Again, just my guess. When I wrote to Charles Scoville, he wrote back and referred me to the how it works page and BS like that....he never actually answered any of my questions, he hid behind the hype.
When I didn't make any money in the first two weeks, I started looking around for anyone else stating they weren't making any money with it. Just doing searches didn't render a thing, so I thought maybe it was just my bad luck. UNTIL I happened on some forum posts about WealthEngineX where people were saying they didn't make any money or didn't make enough to cash out. And then I realized that this was just a UCashBox clone and the promises were just hype and I was probably screwed. And so I was.

When I lost everything I put into UCashBox, and then realized he had blamed me for my failure to make any money which was in direct opposition to the program's promises, I got pissed. So I joined every one of his ptc sites and decided I would click there until I reached the first cashout on each one, which would have recouped my money and made some extra to cover my time. That was humming along nicely until the AlertPay issues began. PayPal already shot him out of the water, so that wasn't an option anymore. Rather than opening up any other payment options, he declared EVERYTHING ELSE to be *too small to take seriously*, or something to that effect, and the now essentially non-functional AlertPay remained the only option. (EDIT: I just found out he is now accepting Google Checkout.) So when I reached the $10 cashout on InfinityBux, I found out I wasn't going to get paid in the foreseeable future. (EDIT: Yesterday I checked and he canceled my cashout.) But keep on clicking, yo! Uh huh. He blames everything on AlertPay's inability to accept credit cards or handle bank transfers. One might fall for that if his sites were the only ones they used, but I have many MANY other sites that are still paying out ON TIME, EVERY TIME, AlertPay issues notwithstanding. This tells me that Mr. Scoville isn't nearly as business savvy as he would like everyone to believe. His demeanor is that of someone who is on top of his game but his results and excuses belie that stance. Meanwhile, the membership numbers on WealthEngineX are plummeting, down in one month from around 2300 members to the current level of around 1550.

He has one other program (that I know of) which is ULaunchFormula. Here is today's running ticker of payouts: infinitybux $364.00 / martinp234 $10.00 / boost23 $24.00 / infinitybux $101.00 / Probuilder $10.00 / loxa1010 $16.00 / jcDanieri $12.00 / infinitybux $73.00 / beejay $17.00 / axshnjaxn $29.00 / axshnjaxn1 $15.00 / infinitybux $45.00 / kevreb $11.00 / naturalle $17.00 / rajtham1979 $9.00 /
Note that he made $583, while the other 11 people put together made $170. It puts me in mind of one of his ads for WealthEngineX wherein he states this program has made him *over $4,000...what will it do for you?*

This is my experience with Mr. Charles Scoville. I've lost a lot of money (for me) and even more time that I could have spent on other things that would actually PAY me. Will I ever deal with him again or believe one word that comes out of his mouth about anything? Not a chance. I wrote this so that when anyone searches for other people's experience with WealthEngineX or Charles Scoville in general, they would actually find something....which is what I was unable to find. I don't really believe he is a scammer, I just think he is not the *authority* he would like people to believe he is. If he were, he would have had a backup plan in place in case something went awry with the ONE and ONLY payment processor he was using. Having no Plan B, refusing to be accountable for that and rolling up like an armadillo when the soft underbelly of his program was exposed screams a lack of experience.

So there you have it. Word.

Two places you want to sign up but just don't know it yet!

2011-12-03T11:13:00.006-06:00

First is Swagbucks. I just can't say enough good things about this program. With no active referrals, I am able to put $5 into my Amazon account about every 10 days, sometimes sooner. There are MANY rewards you can earn, this is just the one I chose. There are myriad ways to earn Swagbucks....playing games, watching videos, doing searches, some ridiculously easy tasks and some not so ridiculously easy but still easy enough, daily polls, surveys, etc. I hope this site lasts FOREVER!

The second place is Ayuwage. It's like a ptc site but with some significant differences. There are three basic ptc type sections. One you just click the link and view the ad. That pays $.001 per click. Another you click the ad and you must click an ad on the page THAT INTERESTS YOU. If you're squeamish about that, you can skip that section, however, it is the one that pays $.015 per click. The third section, you must click some content that interests you....not necessarily an ad. That pays $.005 per click. There are also some offers and surveys from time to time that pay very well, but I rarely ever do those. I am earning roughly $20 a month there with no active referrals. There is no upgrade there! It is the highest paying (and they DO PAY!) ptc type site I've ever used. They don't pay instantly but they do pay quickly. One word of advice for this site....pay very close attention to what you're doing because their system does check to make sure you're doing things correctly. If you're not, you will get a warning on your account. Three simultaneous warnings and your account is suspended. BUT! One warning falls off every 24-48 hours, so even with the occasional slip up, you should be fine. You're also afforded the opportunity to go back to the last ad you did and redo it if you think you made a mistake. This site rocks, don't miss it!

Another one bites the dust

2011-06-19T11:24:00.000-05:00

Another promising PTC site is biting the dust. I had heard a few rumblings about OnBux but I had just gotten a payment, so I waited to see if it was just disgruntled cheaters who got caught or if things were really tanking. Things apparently were really tanking.

OnBux appears to be one of those PickNChoose who they're gonna pay type sites. Pay a few big payments to upgraded members so it looks good in the forum but only pay standard members tiny cashouts here and there...for the same reason. But you won't see much in the forum about all the ones they AREN'T paying, unless someone can get a friend who's a member and NOT waiting on a cashout to make a post on their behalf. There are a few of those....and the people they're writing for have been waiting a very long time....multiple months, in fact. So much for the *review* process.

So now you're probably wondering why people don't complain in the forum that they're not being paid. The answer to that is an ingenious ploy on the part of OnBux. Once you request a payment, you are then automatically BANNED from making posts in the forum. When you try, you get a big screen that simply says: *Your account is under review.* BUT they DO have an utterly useless bot chatbox where you can ask a legitimate question and get a completely irrelevant answer. Yay. And how do you get to this BotBox? By clicking the *Live Support* button. Now, I'm not one of those people who's super picky about semantics, but doesn't the word *Live* indicate there is an actual PERSON on the other side? And doesn't the word *Support* indicate that you will, in fact, receive some assistance when you access this tool? And tool is the right word here.....whoever designed this piece of crap was definitely a TOOL. You won't find any help from this BotBox and you won't find any help in the forum.

What you WILL find in the forum are a lot of posts about how well everything is going in the development of OnBux. You'll find old payment proofs....looks like nothing has been paid since May 6. You'll find the usual number of brown noses cheering everything admin does even when that includes putting a knife in their backs. You'll find a carefully constructed facade masking the dying site behind it.

I don't expect to ever get paid by OnBux. If you haven't joined, seriously, don't waste your time. Word.

Updates From The Front

2011-04-25T19:50:00.006-05:00

I've had this post rolling around in my head for a few days now, so I guess it's time to commit it to writing. I've had a few adventures in Internet Moneymaking Land lately that are worthy of sharing.

The first one is UCashBox. I was in the *Top* UCashBox team. That and a dollar will get ya a cup of coffee. Won't cover the tip, though. To be short and sweet about it, I lost my ass. I spent $10.35 X 4 weeks there. I advertised it for all I was worth, two different ads on a LOT of sites. I ended up with exactly ZERO signups that upgraded. In 48 hours from signup, they were all deleted. I got some spillover, to be sure.....very little, actually, but there was some. What good is dead spillover? The only upside there is I didn't have to bury any of them. Now, it was pointed out to me that I had access to EXCELLENT targeted advertising. And I DID have access to targeted advertising, but the results were far less than excellent. In fact, I had ZERO signups to the programs I was advertising on UCashBox during the whole time I was a member. I was advertising these programs elsewhere, as well. Since there were NO signups, it wasn't hard to figure out if I was gaining anything by advertising there. There was one other so called benefit, a plethora of *awesome* software and eBooks. I downloaded it all before I left to try to get something back for all the money I spent there. So far, I have tried to use three of the software programs and there has been something wrong with each one. None of them function. I will try them all before officially pronouncing the program a scam, but I'm leaning hard toward it right now. It's hard to argue with advertising...you know it's a crapshoot. But when a program lures you in with promises of a feature loaded software and eBook package and that package is pure BS, to me, that taints everything else about the program. To ice the cake, the person I signed up under let me know it was basically my fault that I wasn't getting good results because I wasn't doing what the *successful* people were doing....i.e. flooding the internet with advertising my reflink. Never mind the whole thing was being marketed as something EVERYONE could succeed at, EVEN IF you didn't have those kind of resources. So.....bottom line....unless you have your own ptc site or your own traffic exchange or lots of money to advertise your reflink, my advice is stay away from this rather expensive *matrix* type program....the fringe benefits are less than beneficial.

My next stop was GetBuxToday. Where do I start with this piece of work by Brian Rooney? Well, for starters, it's being touted as the best thing since sliced bread because it's sustainable. Well, uhhhh, YEAH, it's sustainable because he rents DOA refs for a buck a piece and if you don't like that dead ref, you can recycle it for another equally DOA ref for $.50. Bit pricey for DOA refs, if you ask me. Next, do not even bother to rent a few to try to make enough to upgrade. If you check the math, you'll see that you will lose money on your rented refs UNLESS you are upgraded. Don't bother with upgrading unless you can go all the way to the top which is a cool 30 bucks a month! Because if you do and you find you're not making money, you'll be tempted to go to the forum to ask about that. When you get there, you will be talked down to and ridiculed for not upgrading high enough. In other words, it will be YOUR FAULT if you don't make money and you will be told that in such a way as to make you feel like a total loser POS. Smartass doesn't even begin to cover that attitude. So you finally get to a payout and when you go to get it, you find it's been chewed all to pieces by some of the highest fees you'll EVER see in ptc. Oh, hell to the YES, it's sustainable....at least until people get sick of being treated with contempt while they're being skewered. I will from here on out avoid like the plague anything touched by the Almighty Brian Rooney. Unless you have the money to upgrade to the top and the resources to quickly assemble at least a couple hundred personal refs, I suggest you do the same. IF, however, you DO have those capabilities, go for it, you'll make money, at least til the little people all get sick of it, leave and it starts to decline.

My last stop in the Dark Forest of Gloom in Internet Land is NeoBux. A word of advice about the forum....if you don't like what's going on there, keep it to yourself. I did not do that when the whole business model changed and my earnings plummeted and now there is no longer a link to the forum on my account and my support requests go unanswered. Now, I wasn't ugly, no name calling, no death threats...haha...but I did express my feelings about what they were doing. I also said I was thinking about leaving but was undecided for the moment. Apparently that's all it takes to get the boot. Ok, so be it...I'm not kissing their south end for 1/10th of a cent clicks. They actually can just kiss mine. I'm almost halfway to a payout. When I reach it and have it, I'll point to the spot they can kiss. I mighta stayed on after that but when they kicked me out of the forum for stating my opinion, that was the ball game.

On a happier note, there's the *New* improved ClixSense. Rarely does a site redo it's entire design and business model that I don't just run screaming. This is that rare occasion. The whole site design is fresh and new and really nice. The business model, unlike NeoBux, has changed for the better. There's now a forum, PayPal, survey invites, more ads in all price ranges, it's just better, better, better. I am sincerely impressed and since I've never really been all that impressed with ClixSense, that's really saying something. Kudos to them! If you're interested, you can click the banner in the section below that is headed *Every one of these pays....* It's the 7th banner down.

There are two places I'm working with that I have high hopes for. The first is admittedly a little iffy but every time I mentally change camps and run over to the *IT'S A SCAM!!!* camp, they come out with a blog update that rings true and I scurry back to the *Ok, this looks legit* camp. That would be VirtaPay, formerly known as PayBox.me. Before you start groaning and rolling your eyes, hear me out. I've pro'd and con'd this back and forth to death. Most of the reasons people have given (I mean good ones, not just *Well, I think it's a scam* ones) for it to be a scam have been resolved by now....except the transparency about ownership. I admit developing a stutter about that one. But if you think the rest of it through, there's every reason to believe this has at least a 50/50 chance of being legit. Think about how much money goes through a payment processor, even a crappy one. Now think about how much goes through PayPal. Now think about the fees on that money. It's a mind boggling amount. If you have the seed money to start a payment processor, you stand to make a fortune. These people have made a set of rules up for *Early Bird* users. If you get bored and wander away, you're gonna stop accruing earnings and if you abandon your account for over a month, you lose everything in it. I would imagine a lot of people have done that. So that's all money they're NOT paying out. What is left they would be paying out over (an admittedly short) time as people use their account. While they're paying out, they're by then also collecting. Whatever they payout is very likely a tax write off in their country. They're paying in US dollars, one of the weakest currencies going these days. If their working capital is in Euros, for instance, that's like paying $.50 on the dollar. Add to that the likelihood they will pay some amount of cents on the dollar and the outlay goes down even more. As I've watched the development reports, I've swayed back and forth from scam to legit, but at this point, I think it's worth hanging around for. I have a tidy sum in my account and it's not eating anything....I have no reason to leave, give up or call it a scam. If, by next year this time, it's still dragging on or is gone, well then, there you'll have it. But for now, I'm gonna cling to my hope I'll see at least enough to get my teeth fixed & a FAR infrared sauna to detox my disability level toxic body before I end up with cancer or ALS and to kill some of the pain I live in every day. Who knows, maybe there'll even be enough to buy a real house sized refrigerator! Woohoo! If you're interested, you can sign up here:

http://www.virtapay.com/r/noirangelique

The other one is 0mlm.com. This is a no cost multi level marketing system that is launching July 4. That's Independence Day in the US, so it's no accident that's the launch date. This could be YOUR Independence Day, as well. You are given 5 websites that you will choose the names of and are hosted and advertised for you. You need a good healthy downline to make a good income, so you'll not want to sit on your laurels and rely soley on what's done for you. You'll want to be active and proactive. Sign up and advertise your reflink now, every way you can. It's free, but it's not effortless....that would just be asking for too much. So if you're willing to put the effort out for something that won't cost you out of pocket, this could be for you! If you're interested, you can click the banner at the top of this page.

DownlineRefs.com ~ Yay or Nay?

2011-04-06T22:56:00.000-05:00

I recently signed up on DownlineRefs.com in the hopes I could drum up some referrals for a few sites...which, no matter how much I advertise, cloak links, advertise more, blah blah blah, I can never seem to get enough to matter. So I even upgraded there, since it was so cheap. Now I hope I get enough referrals to make it worth that move. Because here's my experience.....

First of all, BEFORE you sign up under anyone on the high paying signups you see on your dashboard page, MAKE SURE to check their previous treatment of their referrals. I signed up under a person by the name of asmondena on that site...their name on the site I signed up on was kata9pult. They are from Turkey. Only a few days into the *contract*, they declined my signup. Then I found the ratings section and found out that out of about 500 signups they've gotten off that site, they approved ONLY ONE!!! A big fat loophole there allows them to do this evil thing which gives the person they screwed over a negative rating and they themselves walk away unscathed, because they paid the minimal upgrade fee. Premium accounts never get below a 0 promoter rating. But Premium accounts DO get negative referral ratings. So they got about 500 free referrals and have a 0 promoter rating and most of the people they screwed got negged. Soooooo, NEVER EVER sign up under either of those two names unless you're OK with rewarding bad behavior. And if you do and they find a way to screw you, too, don't cry, because you were forewarned.

The forum there is *temporarily closed due to excessive spamming* coff coff Yeah. Right. I'm guessing it's more like they have zero support on that site and they don't want to hear about it. They're just there to collect money and that's IT. I wrote to support three times about this scammer....get this, they EVEN scammed DownlineRefs.com about 10 times! And they're still there. At first, I thought...now, how stupid do you have to be to scam the site you're using to scam everybody else? But then I realized the owners of this site don't care WHAT you do, as long as you pay THEM. Because they have declined to write back to me or remove my undeserved negative rating. So if you sign up there, DON'T expect ANY support of ANY kind.

Since I didn't get the credits for the site I signed up on, I don't have enough racked up yet to start a campaign. But shortly, I will. I will post back here what happened with each campaign I run. All I can say is I BETTER get some quality refs from this train wreck of a site, since I paid to upgrade. It matters not to me if it's a small amount I paid or NOT, I'm super pissed about this whole situation and it alone is enough for me to label this site SCAM. The only thing that's going to cause me to back off that statement is if I get my money's worth out of it anyway. Maybe I'll get tons of refs and it'll be all good, but I'm not holding my breath, lest I turn blue and look like Smurfette.

Long time, no see

2011-01-30T16:46:00.000-06:00

It's been like a really long time since I updated this blog, other than banners & such, so since it's basically just turned into a banner farm.....which I freakin' hate.....I'm going to tryyyyy to set aside some time to completely redo the whole thing. My learning curve for internet marketing has been something just short of a straight line, but I'm starting to get a clue here and there. Something about chemically induced brain damage, poverty and being spread so thin you can read the paper through me just took that curve and really REALLY widened it. Fortunately, I have more determination than all of the above can kill off, so I just keep chipping away at the negatives....hey, they're smaller than they used to be!....and working toward a better tomorrow than I have today.

That being said, it takes me a while to gear up for projects like this....too much to do and the rewiring of the brain not being complete, ya know....so if you're reading this like mid 2011 and it still looks like a freakin' banner farm, well, I'm workin' on it, I swear. I've taken at least the first step.....admitting there's a problem. hehehe ;)

Electric Cigarettes, so many to choose from.....how about Greensmoke? Read this first!

2009-12-25T15:40:00.004-06:00

If you are trying to quit smoking, or already did and miss it so much you're thinking of trying the new electric cigarettes, let me share with you my experience with Greensmoke. First of all, I loved the product. Looks like a cigarette, feels like a cigarette, just a bit heavier but nothing you can't easily get used to, tastes remarkably like a cigarette, lots of *smoke* like a cigarette (important if you're addicted to the visuals of the smoke drifting). So far, so good. Unfortunately for me, they use propylene glycol to create the *smoke* and that part gave me a headache I would put on a par with the migraines I used to get. I got that headache every time I smoked the eCig and it got worse each time. I tried 3 or 4 times to make sure it was the eCig and not me just coming down with something. So I had to return them. I was so sad, because I absolutely LOVED every other aspect of them. However, that incredibly BAD headache did cure me of wanting to smoke again.

The company was fine with me returning the beautifully packaged set. I included a copy of my invoice and my letter of why I was returning it and sent it back Priority Mail. This is where it all goes south. Greensmoke never credited my account with the over $200 I paid them. I looked up the tracking and found they were left a paper on a Saturday for the package. I sent them an email and they went to the post office where the package couldn't be found, so they were told it must have been sent back to me. To this day I have not received it back and this was last summer! I called the post office here and they called the one in Miami where Greensmoke is located. The carrier for that address said she left it there the following Monday. She didn't, however, scan it when she left it, so I have no *proof* she actually left it. I didn't get insurance on it because I sent it Priority Mail with tracking. It never occurred to me the carrier wouldn't scan the danged thing. So the Post Office won't cover it and Greensmoke stuck by the statement from the worker in the Post Office that it was returned to me. Greensmoke KNOWS it wasn't returned to me but even though they are right there, they refused to pursue it with the Postmaster. Any company that cares about their customers and what their customers say to other POTENTIAL customers would have taken that simple step, but it gets worse than that. I was not only their customer, but an affiliate, as well. I was advertising this product everywhere.

So this company not only doesn't care much about their customers but also the people selling their products for them. If Customer Service is important to you when you make purchases, you would be best to steer clear of Greensmoke. They knew very well there was a problem with the post office and that I was getting screwed but refused to acknowledge anything but that the box was sent back to me, which they knew was not the case. Either they had the package there but knew it wasn't scanned, so I couldn't prove it so they got it AND my payment or they knew there was a problem with the Post Office and wouldn't help with that because they didn't want to be bothered. At the very least, their attitude was that it was my problem, not theirs, which is pretty shoddy customer service.

Their product is great if you don't have a sensitivity to the propylene glycol and the packaging is awesome, very classy. But the customer service is anything BUT service. Word.

Just Say No To Bidvertiser

2009-01-25T16:07:00.006-06:00

Well, here's the first thing I have to tell you I've abandoned completely and that is Bidvertiser ads. I've removed them from all my pages. Seems they have a nasty habit of finding reasons to delete your account as you approach a payout status. I've had so many problems with them on my first blog that I decided to do a little more digging about them and this time I found things that made me run screaming to my blogs to pull their ads.

I'm sure there are people who have been paid, any scamming company that wants to stay in business will pay a few people all of the time so they have staunch supporters to stand up to the crowds of people holding up the scam signs and call them cheaters. Anybody remember NetWinner? How about CrewBux? They both did the same thing until their crappy business models sunk their respective ships. Good riddance to both. Unfortunately, Bidvertiser will probably be around a lot longer than both of them put together.

If you think you can beat them at their own game or perhaps be one of the few who get paid all the time, go for it. But if you get scammed at the last, don't say I didn't warn you.

Here's to making a living online!

2009-01-20T00:48:00.005-06:00

I started out trying to make money online with ptc sites and am now learning to do other things, as well, such as blogging, creative writing sites, my own domain, selling my jewelry line, affiliate sites and monetizing as many pages as I can do traffic exchanges to advertise.

As I learn more, I will add to this blog and will also tell you where I failed miserably so you can avoid making the same mistakes.

Good luck with your money making endeavors and if you find something that is really working well for you that doesn't have a big start up cost or monthly fee, (I really can't afford to risk anything on those just yet), please let me know and I'll give it a go, too. :)